My Calling To Minister
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Called
Back in 2004, just around my birthday, I finally did what I was asked to do for a few years. I had a lot of reservations about doing it, but I was called to Minister. I didn't know how or where or the whats about, only that it became an urging or a pleading. I believe the Higher-Self is the conducter of our body and direct link with the Universe and everything and everyone. I don't think of God as he/she or even as a person. It is both and all and everything-- energy, light and electricity. It wasn't myself calling because I didn't want to do this at all. Not Me!
**Please click on the links. They have been added for further clarification or information. Thank You.
Training
I have not had any strict training such a University, or Seminary in any one denomination. When I was called I did ask many questions. Training in such discipline was not needed. He said that he would guide me. My training had started long ago and in many lifetimes and will be taught more on a need be basis. Jesus was trained in the Nazarene Way and he wasn't a Christian and didn't go to college and didn't have a Master Degree in anything. By the Way the first thing they teach you in any religious institution is how to get money. You can read what they teach on my What Is A Minister article.
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Religious Background
My husband is Roman Catholic and at first I had to confront him with this calling. Roman Catholics do not like other preachers to go to their churches. Before I married him I was lost--or so I thought. My Grandmother on my mother's side was Catholic and I thought that I would continue her religion and become Catholic. She was the only Roman Catholic left on her side of the family.
You know the thing about, when the student is ready the teacher will appear thing? Well, I thought this was for me and it was a noble thing to carry on your ancestry. Looking back I realized that I did learn, but not exactly what I thought that I would be. So I went through RCIA, (Roman Catholic Initiation of Adults).. I had lots of questions and .concerns. I had a lot of problems with the Confessions. Things that I did or had happened to me way long before I got to this point -------well lets just say it wasn't an easy thing to go through. The guilt trips!!
Since I was married previously and got a legal divorce the Roman Catholic Church requires the you go through there Annulment Process even if there is a legal and binding, by Law, Divorce. I guess they think it is division of Church and State. This was a difficult process in the first go around. Well it had been 10 years since my divorce but the catholic church required me to get affidavits from all my previous in-laws and anyone who was involved in my previous marriage. I managed to do that--don't know how because after the divorce his family and I never really kept in touch.--DUH! Anyway it took 6 months to get that approved.
Before I was became a Roman Catholic I had grown up Welsh Baptist and became Methodist when I married my first husband, then I just didn't call any religion my own. I was Roman Catholic for 7 years.then. What I began to learn was that the organized religions taught was the things that I did were evil and of Satan and abominations.
When I told my family that I was going to be Catholic--I was almost ex-commincated. My Uncle was furiuos with me. He has been a Deacon of the Welsh Baptist Church, where I was born, like forever.
Questions
With all this in my background you can see how difficult it was listening to God/Jesus or My Higher Self to take the calling to be a Minister. The first questions I asked was who would I get the messages across too. I was told -those on the internet. I asked about a physical Church and I was told that I wouldn't need one that my congregation is on the internet and from all over the world. I find that people and governments and Church establishments want a minister to have a physical Church---only that is not what it says in the Bible. I go by what Jesus says, not what governments and fundies and all those say. Yes, it is a hard road, but that is what I was called to do--so I do it. I am guided.
Guided by Jesus/God/Higher-Self is also what I was told when I asked how I would write these things. I didn't know or wasn't aware that I could write, I was told not to worry about that--I would be guided. So as the saying (song) goes "Don't Worry, Be Happy". I am not worried about that. I would be able to pull from my life(lives) experiences. Jesus said that he would guide me and that was all I was to know at that time.
My Mission Given To Me
I am here to get his truth and spread it far and wide. I am sorry if this ruffles a few feathers, but that is what I an guided to do. I have found throughout my years of learning that Christians don't follow what Jesus really says, they twist it and turn it all around to mean what they want it to mean. They use FEAR to instill in the people that if they don't believe in their god or Jesus they are going to hell. Jesus didn't teach this at all and it is my job---per his request--that I show the way. His teaching were omitted from the Bible and people who call themselves Christian don't even know the half of his teachings. Jesus wasn't a Christian.
All my experiences have been to fullfil this job that I have to do. I don't go out and tell every person that I am a Minsiter. I am humble in that and I am not prideful, because Jesus says not to be too proud. I don't judge because Jesus says not to judge. I know about other things that aren't taught or printed in that Bible. Those things that weren't included in the Bible we have today were omitted because of political gain by the Roman Empire. This is why I have read those things that are said not to read because they were from the teachings of Jesus's childhood and beyond. Many of those books were banned---not by God and you all can argue with me until I die, but God wanted all the books to be in there and it was MAN who decided which are in there now and which are not. We need to get in touch with the bigger picture and into the history of things and the history of peoples and chronology of events. We don't even know the slang they used in those days. What we think the terms mean today we are describing them with today's language. Well our slang has change at least 20 times in the last 50 years. Jesus says Seek and You shall Find--so you seek and he also tells us to seek out the truth and read and research other things besides what is in the Bible. He knew that we would mess it all up. He says to test it against our own consiousness, not that of others who think they know more. The Pope is just a Human Being just like the rest of us and he isn't any closer to God then the rest of us. Everyone knows what they need to know and it will be given them in the time that it is set for them to know it. Everyone is equal in that.--------OOOOps here I am preaching
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Other Sources
There are things like Akashic Records, Life Contracts, some Universal Laws, Magic and Veils that are put on us at birth. We all have what it takes to do whatever we want in this life. Jesus said that in the Bible. No, I will not give verse by verse, because most of them are messed up and are taken way out of contect. The Bible is a book or paragraphs and stories and a guide. Like other books, we don't go taking out certain sentences (verse or scripture) and use it to their advantage when the whole paragraph will have an entirely different meaning.. Jesus doesn't like us doing that to his words and the riddles and parables that he tells us. He tells us to look up those meanings that were correct in those days that they were written, not put the events and meanings into the present meanings.
In the sense as a title, I AM a minister-------but I am just a person like the rest of you are. I was called to be a Minister, but not one who is above anyone else. Just as Jesus is--not above anyone else. He stated that many times throughout his process of his being on trial and nailed to that cross........which is a metaphor by the way. I don't go putting myself on a pedestal or make it known that I am closer to God or that I am all knowing. I just AM.
My Ministry Certification
A bit about the Universal Life Church --NOT Unitarian
"We strongly believe in the rights of all people to practice their beliefs, regardless of what those beliefs are, as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others and are within the law.
We ordain persons who are totally non-religious or even anti-religious. This may seem contradictory, but we are looking to change negative perception of religion by encouraging people to fearlessly state their personal religious beliefs. The Universal Life Church seeks to fulfill the spiritual needs of as many different groups as we can by offering a wide variety of services and information.
We can best accomplish this with your help. If there is anything you would like to see added to the site which will help you grow spiritually, please feel free to contact us.
The Universal Life Church Monastery is the largest ULC congregation in the world, and while we consider our church the non-denominational center of our ministry, there is some confusion regarding the various internet churches that call themselves the Universal Life Church. If you are interested in Brother Martin's explanation of the various "branches" of the ULC, click here."
You can read more on their website.
NOT Simple
Contrary to popular beliefs of other denominations one cannot just go to the site and get ordained. This is a huge misrepresentation. I did not just sign up and get my credentials in a week. I took such longer than that. I did not take any of their courses because I was told that I didn't need them. I still might one day if and when we have the money to do so. It is also a 4 year degree program much like any other degree studies. After reading about how other Seminarian programs work I opted out. I wasn't going for money and I wasn't going to have a physical Church as in a building. I was told to gout out over the internet as those are my congregation. I am not to convert anyone at all.
I had to write a thesis, and since not having to do this at any other time in my life, you can imagine how hard it was for me. In that thesis I had to give reasons and why that I could be considered to become a Minister. It took me a few weeks. It had to be at the very least 5 pages front and back to be even looked at. I had to fill out many forms and prove that I existed. Like I said, it was not an easy task and was not given in a week or so. Those who think differently should open their eyes and hear what is in their hearts and not what others tell them. If you are called, then you are called. It took me 3 callings in many years to actually act on them. Just remember Jesus said he put all the laws in the hearts and minds of men and that we house God's Kingdom Within US, not in a building or in a book, but inside of us.
My Other Intertwined Hubs
- My Spiritual Testimony
- The Long And Winding Road, Searching For Truth
A bit of a study into life and religion and humanity. - A Minister's Work
- FAITH - AN UNDERSTANDING
What was Jesus talking about when he mentioned FAITH?
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Thank you CJ. I have a feeling that there will be more "ministry" ---just a feeling and I got those goosebumps again!
Hi Lady, I thought this was very interesting, keep writing! I believe in the eternity of existence, and I'm always interested in how others live and believe...thanks for this enlightening piece!
Thank You Marisue very much. I am working of one abut the Rainbows--here I thought it would be easy NOT! I have to say it like no others have said it to be unique--only there is lots out there that are saying the same things! I will do it--time and patience and alot of research.
Hey Lady; I'm still searching for those links, how do you post your writtings? Please, let me know once again;) Queen Debvill
Deb,
I sent them to yournice girls account about a week ago.
And here I am. lol I have to agree with you that man, in our own selfisness has twisted and skewed God's word ever since He gave it to us so that it would fit our own causes and not His cause. With that and your religious experiences, I can start to understand where your beliefs come from. I will honestly say I won't always agree with you, but I do feel that we will be able to respectfully agree to disagree.
Thank You Talented_Ink. I read one oif yours too and responded. I will read another one here in a bit. Ha! I am taking the day off from writing to read other's experiences and maybe respond.
I just added my Certifcation to this hub. There are others out there that don't believe me when I say that I am a minister and have some need to prove that I am not. So Here it is for all to see! They can also see that it is REAL. I take my position seriously.
Hi Lady G,
Well I came to read your hub by your invite from my hub. Thank you for posting your comment. Well I dont know where to start. I read some of your hub but to be honest I had to stop after you said you don't place God as a he or she. Please dont think I am coming down on you but I believe you are still lost (in all due respect). When I said on my page that you shouldn't be "self" ordain you should be God ordain because self ordain ministers and pastors WILL lead others astray who are already lost. If you read 1 Tim 3 Paul talks about leadership in the church. To be honest with you, for you to be in a leadership position amongst men and women in your church is out of order according to the Bible. The Bible is depleted with verses stating that our Heavenly Father is very much a male. Jesus came down as a a MAN to show us, to demonstrate to us how to live life. Read the book of John and you will see for yourself who Jesus Christ really is. I don't know who is the "Higher-self" that you speak of. But I know very well who is the Holy Spirit who lives within THOSE who are Believers and Followers of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is our teacher, He will teach and guide us on the path we should go (Psalm 32:8) In an unbeliever life the Holy Spirit ONLY convicts them that they truly need a Savior. If you are still in a leadership position I truly ask for you to truly seek God and step down from that position. Because that is one of the reasons in my "Naked Church" hub that I speak of. I'm concern of the people who are following you. We are all ONE body in Christ and we are all on the same mission which is Christ. Please understand where I am coming from. For me its about Lost SOULS and being a soldier in God's army (2 Timothy 2). I stand firm to the truth of the Gospel. Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me (John 14:6). God the Father, the Creator of the Heavens, the Earth, and the Universe. Jesus is Savior of the world read John 12:48, and the Holy Spirit is our Teacher, God's Spirit who lives within us John 14:15-31. When you seek God He will show us what to do and from there we know what to do (Proverbs 3:5-6) We have to be patient and wait on God. 2 Corinithian 5:17 talks about examining ourselves. Sin is NOT speculative. Sin is what it is SIN. That further concerns me as well. Sin is when we are disobedient to God, sin started with Adam and Eve. There are many accounts on how God dealt with sin. For example in Genesis 6, is when God dealt with sin by flooding the earth, if you read chapter 18-19 He dealt with sin in Sodom and Gomorrah. Please believe me, Jesus is coming back and when He does He will deal with those who have chosen SIN over Him. This is what God is saying and not me.....Please read the Word OF God for yourself and ask God for wisdom and understanding. When you do, the TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE (John 8:32) Because we are accountable for ourselves we will stand before God.
Thank you for telling me that I am a fake. I am not a fake neither will I lead anyone to their death or away from Jesus or God. I did not say that God wa not a male and if you want to go that route you wil notice that all females in the bible have been suppressed. Now I have do research thourh historical, Philosophical and other things before ever taking serieously that I could be a Minister. You seem to think that I just went out and said one day that I want to be a minister and did it! You are mistaken--very much so!
Hve you ever read enough of the good parts of the Bible where Jesus states that The Kingdom Of God is WITHIN You! Well that is where it all starts---within you and not outside of you.
Thanks again for the vote of confidence.
Golly, has it not occurred to you womenofhearts, that in the day and age Jesus existed a women would never ever have been taken seriously by people she preached to? I doubt Jesus or God actually have a 'sex' in the same way we do, and it is very possible that this is purely an earthly concept.
My best guess is God sent a representative he felt would have the best chance of getting the message across, and in that particular era it would really have had to be a man to be taken seriously at all.
Since you answered my question with the link to this hub, I read it. It was even more shocking than I had figured. I appears that you were called by the Oompa Loompas.
hahahahahahhahahahahahaha
But hey, thanks for answering my question. At least know I know where you stand........on sand.
I DON'T LIKE THE LOOK OF IT OOMPA LOOMPA DOOMPADEE DAH
womanofhearts, you posted some very great truths. Thanks for posting truth and light on this hub. It was sorely in need of it. Nice that you showed Scripture to back up what you were saying. No one can argue with God.
ASU, I denied your comment becaue it was full of HATE--pure Hate! Jesus ws spit upon, laughed at and he was called a liar and all kinds of Hateful things. Now for somehting serious---What is a Minister? What are the qualitfications of one and I do have a hub with that information too for your viewing. Laugh and make fun if you will but that dear madam is also against the rules set forth by Jesus in that Bible that you use. My how we forget when we make fun of others!
Did you ever rad the part where Jesus can be anything and come into your home and the story goes that they people that he was in the house of didn't know that he was Jesus becasue Jesus didn't look like himself...beware of entertaining Angels Unaware!
An angel would not be saying the things you do. You deleted my post because it was truth and that's not something you are fond of. Be honest.
BS!!!!!!!!!You do not have one pinch of truth or love in your whole entire body---not a pinch.
Yeah, most ministers I know use the term "BS" often.
1 John 4
1Beloved, every spirit believe not, but prove the spirits, if of God they are, because many false prophets have gone forth to the world;
2in this know ye the Spirit of God; every spirit that doth confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is,
3and every spirit that doth not confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is not; and this is that of the antichrist, which ye heard that it doth come, and now in the world it is already.
4Ye -- of God ye are, little children, and ye have overcome them; because greater is He who [is] in you, than he who is in the world.
5They -- of the world they are; because of this from the world they speak, and the world doth hear them;
6we -- of God we are; he who is knowing God doth hear us; he who is not of God, doth not hear us; from this we know the spirit of the truth, and the spirit of the error.
7Beloved, may we love one another, because the love is of God, and every one who is loving, of God he hath been begotten, and doth know God;
8he who is not loving did not know God, because God is love.
9In this was manifested the love of God in us, because His Son -- the only begotten -- hath God sent to the world, that we may live through him;
10in this is the love, not that we loved God, but that He did love us, and did send His Son a propitiation for our sins.
11Beloved, if thus did God love us, we also ought one another to love;
12God no one hath ever seen; if we may love one another, God in us doth remain, and His love is having been perfected in us;
13in this we know that in Him we do remain, and He in us, because of His Spirit He hath given us.
14And we -- we have seen and do testify, that the Father hath sent the Son -- Saviour of the world;
15whoever may confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God in him doth remain, and he in God;
16and we -- we have known and believed the love, that God hath in us; God is love, and he who is remaining in the love, in God he doth remain, and God in him.
17In this made perfect hath been the love with us, that boldness we may have in the day of the judgment, because even as He is, we -- we also are in this world;
18fear is not in the love, but the perfect love doth cast out the fear, because the fear hath punishment, and he who is fearing hath not been made perfect in the love;
19we -- we love him, because He -- He first loved us;
20if any one may say -- `I love God,' and his brother he may hate, a liar he is; for he who is not loving his brother whom he hath seen, God -- whom he hath not seen -- how is he able to love?
21and this [is] the command we have from Him, that he who is loving God, may also love his brother
Ephesians 1
1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, to the saints who are in Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2Grace to you, and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ!
3Blessed [is] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who did bless us in every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
4according as He did choose us in him before the foundation of the world, for our being holy and unblemished before Him, in love,
5having foreordained us to the adoption of sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
6to the praise of the glory of His grace, in which He did make us accepted in the beloved,
7in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the remission of the trespasses, according to the riches of His grace,
8in which He did abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence,
9having made known to us the secret of His will, according to His good pleasure, that He purposed in Himself,
10in regard to the dispensation of the fulness of the times, to bring into one the whole in the Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth -- in him;
11in whom also we did obtain an inheritance, being foreordained according to the purpose of Him who the all things is working according to the counsel of His will,
12for our being to the praise of His glory, [even] those who did first hope in the Christ,
13in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth -- the good news of your salvation -- in whom also having believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise,
14which is an earnest of our inheritance, to the redemption of the acquired possession, to the praise of His glory.
15Because of this I also, having heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and the love to all the saints,
16do not cease giving thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers,
17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of the glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the recognition of him,
18the eyes of your understanding being enlightened, for your knowing what is the hope of His calling, and what the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
19and what the exceeding greatness of His power to us who are believing, according to the working of the power of His might,
20which He wrought in the Christ, having raised him out of the dead, and did set [him] at His right hand in the heavenly [places],
21far above all principality, and authority, and might, and lordship, and every name named, not only in this age, but also in the coming one;
22and all things He did put under his feet, and did give him -- head over all things to the assembly,
23which is his body, the fulness of Him who is filling the all in all,
Matthew 4:11Then doth the Devil leave him, and lo, messengers came and were ministering to him.Matthew 4:10-12 (in Context) Matthew 4 (Whole Chapter) Matthew 8:15and he touched her hand, and the fever left her, and she arose, and was ministering to them.Matthew 8:14-16 (in Context) Matthew 8 (Whole Chapter) Matthew 20:28even as the Son of Man did not come to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.'Matthew 20:27-29 (in Context) Matthew 20 (Whole Chapter) Matthew 25:44`Then shall they answer, they also, saying, Lord, when did we see thee hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in prison, and we did not minister to thee?Matthew 25:43-45 (in Context) Matthew 25 (Whole Chapter) Matthew 27:55And there were there many women beholding from afar, who did follow Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him,Matthew 27:54-56 (in Context) Matthew 27 (Whole Chapter) Mark 1:13and he was there in the wilderness forty days, being tempted by the Adversary, and he was with the beasts, and the messengers were ministering to him.Mark 1:12-14 (in Context) Mark 1 (Whole Chapter) Mark 1:31and having come near, he raised her up, having laid hold of her hand, and the fever left her immediately, and she was ministering to them.Mark 1:30-32 (in Context) Mark 1 (Whole Chapter) Mark 9:35and having sat down he called the twelve, and he saith to them, `If any doth will to be first, he shall be last of all, and minister of all.'Mark 9:34-36 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter) Mark 10:43but not so shall it be among you; but whoever may will to become great among you, he shall be your minister,Mark 10:42-44 (in Context) Mark 10 (Whole Chapter) Mark 10:45for even the Son of Man came not to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.'Mark 10:44-46 (in Context) Mark 10 (Whole Chapter) Mark 15:41(who also, when he was in Galilee, were following him, and were ministering to him,) and many other women who came up with him to Jerusalem.Mark 15:40-42 (in Context) Mark 15 (Whole Chapter) Luke 4:39and having stood over her, he rebuked the fever, and it left her, and presently, having risen, she was ministering to them.Luke 4:38-40 (in Context) Luke 4 (Whole Chapter) Luke 8:3and Joanna wife of Chuza, steward of Herod, and Susanna, and many others, who were ministering to him from their substance.Luke 8:2-4 (in Context) Luke 8 (Whole Chapter) Luke 12:37`Happy those servants, whom the lord, having come, shall find watching; verily I say to you, that he will gird himself, and will cause them to recline (at meat), and having come near, will minister to them;Luke 12:36-38 (in Context) Luke 12 (Whole Chapter) Luke 17:8but will not [rather] say to him, Prepare what I may sup, and having girded thyself about, minister to me, till I eat and drink, and after these things thou shalt eat and drink?Luke 17:7-9 (in Context) Luke 17 (Whole Chapter) Luke 22:26but ye [are] not so, but he who is greater among you -- let him be as the younger; and he who is leading, as he who is ministering;Luke 22:25-27 (in Context) Luke 22 (Whole Chapter) Luke 22:27for who is greater? he who is reclining (at meat), or he who is ministering? is it not he who is reclining (at meat)? and I -- I am in your midst as he who is ministering.Luke 22:26-28 (in Context) Luke 22 (Whole Chapter) John 12:2they made, therefore, to him a supper there, and Martha was ministering, and Lazarus was one of those reclining together (at meat) with him;John 12:1-3 (in Context) John 12 (Whole Chapter) John 12:26if any one may minister to me, let him follow me, and where I am, there also my ministrant shall be; and if any one may minister to me -- honour him will the Father.John 12:25-27 (in Context) John 12 (Whole Chapter) Acts 6:2and the twelve, having called near the multitude of the disciples, said, `It is not pleasing that we, having left the word of God, do minister at tables;Acts 6:1-3 (in Context) Acts 6 (Whole Chapter) Acts 13:2and in their ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, `Separate ye to me both Barnabas and Saul to the work to which I have called them,'Acts 13:1-3 (in Context) Acts 13 (Whole Chapter) Acts 19:22and having sent to Macedonia two of those ministering to him -- Timotheus and Erastus -- he himself stayed a time in Asia.Acts 19:21-23 (in Context) Acts 19 (Whole Chapter) Acts 20:34and ye yourselves know that to my necessities, and to those who were with me, minister did these hands;Acts 20:33-35 (in Context) Acts 20 (Whole Chapter) Acts 24:23having given also a direction to the centurion to keep Paul, to let [him] also have liberty, and to forbid none of his own friends to minister or to come near to him.Acts 24:22-24 (in Context) Acts 24 (Whole Chapter) Romans 15:25And, now, I go on to Jerusalem, ministering to the saints;Romans 15:24-26 (in Context) Romans 15 (Whole Chapter) Romans 15:27for it pleased well, and their debtors they are, for if in their spiritual things the nations did participate, they ought also, in the fleshly things, to minister to them.Romans 15:26-28 (in Context) Romans 15 (Whole Chapter) 2 Corinthians 3:3manifested that ye are a letter of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not in the tablets of stone, but in fleshy tablets of the heart,2 Corinthians 3:2-4 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 3 (Whole Chapter) 2 Corinthians 8:19and not only so, but who was also appointed by vote by the assemblies, our fellow-traveller, with this favour that is ministered by us, unto the glory of the same Lord, and your willing mind;2 Corinthians 8:18-20 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 8 (Whole Chapter) 2 Corinthians 8:20avoiding this, lest any one may blame us in this abundance that is ministered by us,2 Corinthians 8:19-21 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 8 (Whole Chapter) 1 Timothy 3:10and let these also first be proved, then let them minister, being unblameable.1 Timothy 3:9-11 (in Context) 1 Timothy 3 (Whole Chapter) 1 Timothy 3:13for those who did minister well a good step to themselves do acquire, and much boldness in faith that [is] in Christ Jesus.1 Timothy 3:12-14 (in Context) 1 Timothy 3 (Whole Chapter) 2 Timothy 1:18may the Lord give to him to find kindness from the Lord in that day; and how many things in Ephesus he did minister thou dost very well know.2 Timothy 1:17-18 (in Context) 2 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter) Philemon 1:13whom I did wish to retain to myself, that in thy behalf he might minister to me in the bonds of the good news,Philemon 1:12-14 (in Context) Philemon 1 (Whole Chapter) Hebrews 1:7and unto the messengers, indeed, He saith, `Who is making His messengers spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire;'Hebrews 1:6-8 (in Context) Hebrews 1 (Whole Chapter) Hebrews 6:10for God is not unrighteous to forget your work, and the labour of the love, that ye shewed to His name, having ministered to the saints and ministering;Hebrews 6:9-11 (in Context) Hebrews 6 (Whole Chapter) 1 Peter 1:12to whom it was revealed, that not to themselves, but to us they were ministering these, which now were told to you (through those who did proclaim good news to you,) in the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, to which things messengers do desire to bend looking.1 Peter 1:11-13 (in Context) 1 Peter 1 (Whole Chapter) 1 Peter 4:10each, according as he received a gift, to one another ministering it, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God;1 Peter 4:9-11 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter) 1 Peter 4:11if any one doth speak -- `as oracles of God;' if any one doth minister -- `as of the ability which God doth supply;' that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom is the glory and the power -- to the ages of the ages. Amen.1 Peter 4:10-12 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)
You censor your posts because that don't agree with you. Censorship. Nice. Why do you run from the truth? Of course this one will probably be deleted too, but you have to read it first. If I'm wrong, then prove it. Show everyone's posts equally. If you delete this, it just means you only want people who support you to be on your hubs and you don't love people who don't agree with you. You only care about those who follow you. Very non-Godlike. He loves everyone. Whether they agree with Him or not.
Ok it is out there for all to se and it does not make you look good at all. So be it Missie! You do good for yourself in thinking that you are better than anyone else and that you are God becasue you think you know everything and yet.you have not answered my questions..................
Lady Guinevere,
Christ's ministry is about love and light, joy and sharing, peace and harmony. That is what sold the good word to millions throughout the millenia, and not the spiteful, thoughtless rants, you are so valiantly fielding here.
You've got my vote Lady G.
Thanks you Amanda.
Like I posted in the Obama hub, is it being able to rattle off scripture at the whimm of a hat that makes a miniser or preacher. Anyone can do that. So what exactly is it that qualifies one to preach or teach the word?
If you are referring to the question about what makes a minister, firstly, it's someone who is saved and trusts in the blood of Jesus knowing that that's the only way to Heaven. They know also that God and Jesus are both males. They also take the Bible for what it is, the Word of God. God calls them. Not some 'higher self'. I think womenofhearts tried to explain some truths using Scripture. She did a good job. You talk about the 'good parts' of the Bible. The whole Bible is good. I don't see why you lie and say that I think I'm God. I would never in a million years think that. I don't think I know more than anyone else either. The Word is here for everyone to read and learn from. Most want to take parts of it, as you call it the 'good parts', and not want to go by the rest. That's wrong. No one can pick and choose what parts of the Bible to go by. The whole thing is God's Word. Like the Bible says, there is only one way to Heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ. Anyone who teaches different than that is teaching lies. The Bible plainly says that. If anyone teaches different than what the Bible says, they are leading people astray and their blood will be on that person's hands who teaches lies.
I believe a high tolerance for one's fellow human beings and their many failings would come high on the list!
ASU, you are a fool. I have been saved, got baptised and all that and have accepted Jesus as my Saviour. You REFUSE to beleive or see that and you have done this with a few people here on hubpages. You LIE and that makes you look good?????? NOT!
This is not about me or how I look. It's about your 'ministry'. Tell me, how does a person get to heaven? What does a person have to do to go to heaven?
Most loving caring ministers I know call people names too. NOT!
keep it up. how do you know that I don't know those things. And for your information you are not worth the trouble. You are just being like those clergy that Jesus threw out of the church.
Why do you ask me these pety things--you still have not answered the questions put forth to you.
You are a minister, share with me how to get to heaven. I'm asking you to tell me how I can go to heaven. I don't understand why you don't tell me. Do you not care enough about my soul to tell me?
This was a revealing exchange of comments.
Lady G. it is good to follow your own path of determination towards a greater understanding of spirituality................btw it was the Pharisees who Jesus threw out of the temple for being possessed of hypocritical, self important natures....cheers
Lady G: Until I read this hub, I wasn't exactly sure where you stood religiously. I try not to get into any debates regarding something as personal as my relationship with my god, so I have to admit I tend to shy away from people that get all self-righteous about their religion and then turn around and do something so cruel and thoughtless convinced that they're somebody god wants living in his kingdom.Â
I'm glad you aren't one of those :) In fact, I was wonderfully surprised to find that not only were you not one of those types...but that you and I have a great deal in common in our religious views.Â
Personally...I think Allshookup is bipolar and what she says should be chalked up to some deviant personality disorder. I've seen pitbulls with a more christian attitude than this woman.  I'm thinking perhaps she deserves our pity...and maybe a few prayers that one day she will overcome her mental handicap and be able to function as a normal adult in society. I understand they make drugs to help with that...perhaps we should pray for Prozac.Â
Should she persist with her demented Oompa Loompa (really, ASU...wean yourself off those kiddie shows and try something a bit more mentally stimulating) tirade...just send her my way. I haven't had anything to gnaw on for a while...
Until then *hugs*...you have nothing to defend and don't let her bigoted little remarks upset you. You are loved.Â
Well, thankfully, you're not my doctor. Too, she claims to be a minister, yet she wont share with me how to get to heaven. She says I'm not worth it. Therefore she doesn't care for my soul. Real ministers care for people's souls. Ministers of God have a special love in their hearts for people. One of their main jobs is sharing how to get to heaven. Yet she doesn't with me.
If you read her hub, you'd see she's writing a book 'Whispers from OZ.' So, who is the one in the child's shows now? I figure one show is as good as another one.  That's where the oompa loompa reference came from. If she's a minister of God, she would care for my soul and show it. People hate God, they mock Him, they spit on Him and what does He do? He continues to love them and give them chances to come to Him. She however doesn't love enough to share how to get to heaven.
The fact that she says that I'm not worth it shows where her heart is.
LG, do not take the harsh remarks to heart, you have plenty of friends who know you are the genuine article, and you have no need to explain yourself to others as you know that you trust that what is in your heart is correct and right.
Not every one's definition of how to follow a religious path is ever going to be the same as everyone else's. The Bible can be made to say anything if the correct verses are selected and quoted in certain arguments, whether that was what those verses were meant to mean or not. At the end of the day, it is just a book, an often mistranslated book and frequently misinterpreted or manipulated.
The only solution to this problem is to follow your heart and trust what feels right to you and cast out what does not. Do not lower yourself to the levels of name calling and getting angry or sarcastic, this will only stress you out, when your efforts are better spent on those who are open to listening and learning.
Blessed Be :)
I think that "Blessed be the meek for they shall inherit the earth"...might fit in here quite nicely.. it is most upsetting to think that in the eyes of some Christians not everyone (& indeed this would include other christians) is equal in the sight of God.. that in fact some people consider themselves to be more equal than others - so although I don't understand why this is so truly it makes me feel uneasy... rock on Lady G
ps just like statistics - dirty rotten statistics - anything such as e.g. bibical verses - can be manipulated to agree with whatever any other person wishes to say... so as you also have a right to your own beliefs you also have the God-given right to express them .. cheers
ASU, you have the answers you seek inside of you.
Whispers From Oz isn't the movie Wizard of Oz--go read the Intro and you will see it is from the ADULT version called The Tinman. So again you make yourself look stupid by not doing research before you spout off.
ASU - I'm glad I'm not your doctor either. It would be difficult to maintain my hippocratic oath.
LOL! So...you thought you sounded REALLY smart making that Oompa Loompa lunatic statement in retaliation for LG writing a book called "Whispers From Oz" and not being the minister YOU think she should be after YOU weren't the Christian that YOU claim to be...hmmm...
Not only are you an idiot ( I can say that since I'm not a minister and I couldn't give a rats ass where your soul ends up) but you are a full-blown hypocrite as well. I'd say more...but you aren't worth my time and effort. I hope you are right about god loving everyone...I'd be hard pressed to understand what the hell he sees as a redeeming value in a person such as yourself.
Allshookup, you are the most condescending, self-aggrandized, elitist, small-minded person I have run across since high school when those little cliques of high school girls struggled for some form of self esteem by judging people based on their hair and clothing styles.
That Ooompa Loompa thing up there was so totally uncalled for I can hardly believe you wrote it, and to see you say something like "Most loving caring ministers I know call people names too. NOT!" in the proximity of such an uncalled for and insulting attack peels back the scales that hide the snide viper I've always known you to be. (And I don't care if you are or aren't a minister. Here's a test line for you: Most total assholes I know insult people who don't agree with them. Does your little smarmy 1990's 'not' thing work on that one?)
Oh, and way to jump on the bandwagon with Womenofhearts and attack Lady Guinevere just because it's fun.  Womenofhearts said up front to LG, "I read some of your hub but to be honest I had to stop after you said you don't place God as a he or she." Well, there you have it; LG wrote that "he or she" part in the FOURTH sentence. So, Womenofhearts didn't read ANY of what LG wrote and started in with that long-ass know-it-all crap, couched in nice helpful language of course, and then you, AHU, saw one of your fellow harpies for God leaping at LG's throat and dove right in.
You have no clue what the Bible says. You may be able to repeat the lines that are written in it, but you have no concept what any of those lines actually says. You're no better than the peon stooges of the Inquisition who would burn at the stake whomever the Inquistors told them to, spouting lines in Latin as they watched their victims writhe but with no idea what those sounds coming out of their self-righteous holes really meant. Just speak it by rote and judge and condemn and condescend as they watch others burn. You are the same, an attack dog looking for someone to bite, but no more aware of why you're sicked on your victim than a rabid mongrel.
When it rains in your world, it's probably God spitting on you, just so you know. Or maybe it's the angels' dogs mistaking you for a tree in the distance down below.Â
Again, you have not told me how to go to Heaven. Saying something is inside me is not telling me how to go to Heaven. What do I have to DO to go to Heaven?
ASU...I can't tell you how to get to heaven, but I'll be more than happy to tell you to go to hell... :)
(is that a great title for a country song or what?)
Shady!!!! *hugs*
Well, the gangs about all here huh? But, whether you are all here to trash me because I'm telling the truth or not, it's still the truth. She calls herself a minister and can't even share with someone how to be saved. It's very misleading and if she or anyone for that matter, tells people they can go to church withtout going through Jesus Christ, they are teaching lies. It's nice to see the friends a 'minister' chooses to surround herself with. People who'd be more than happy to tell me to go to hell. A mininster would care more about a person's soul than to allowed them to be talked to in this manner. Someone who is a true minister would not allow those things to be on her hub. A person who loves God would never tell someone to go to hell. The posts allowed on this hub are anything but ministering to people. Birds of a feather.......
Oh, and Shades, I said the word 'NOT' in reference to her saying to me first. :) Guess you missed her doing it to me first huh?
ASU, I know how: Stop being such a condescending blowhard and maybe, just a thought, get off your high-horse or whatever other "I know Jesus and the Bible better than thou" pedestal you've placed yourself on. Try that for starters. :)
And nope, didn't miss it, you missed my point entirely, as always. But then, you've never been a fan of reading the whole idea anyone puts forth.
You spit at her that she "calls herself a minister" like her claim to this is illigitimate, but then I ask you, who appointed you THE master of all Biblical meaning and diviner of what is True? You're no more qualified to determine the validity of her ministry than my cat is, and frankly, at least my cat is warm and cuddly, not a prickly old shrew.
My two cents worth--
The doctrine of succession, one not only taught but believed by virtually every single jew-turned-christian at the turn of the first century, and revived later by John Calvin in his theological works, believes that children of Christians are born Christian. It's sort of the same deal with Islam, actually. It was also that way in OT times with the old covenants, they were born into God's blessing.
With that said, there really isn't a time when born-Christians have a 'redemptive' moment, they just come into realisation of their 'blessing' of God. So this talk of 'getting saved' , in this context, is a moot point.
It makes sense to me. I never really claimed there wasn't a God nor did I ever not believe Jesus was real. I just sort of grew up that way, although it took me til I was 21 to really find where I belonged in His kingdom.
The whole "get saved" approach is as recent, if not more recent, as the doctrine of the pretribulational rapture (addressed nicely in Misty's hub).
Dammit, T.Keeley, there you go with that calm, reasonable approach to scripture. How can you possibly hope to force people into believing exactly as you do if you don't start being more obnoxious and tunnel-visioned?
Wow, I go grocery shopping for Thanksgiving and the hub blows up!
ASU, You have told all over the hubs how you get saved--now that is a stupid question of you to ask.
In the porginal context of the church, Christ meant your body is the church and the temple.--for where two or more gather there will he be---he never said a building that is lavishly ornamented.
I just read on another social network that I am a member of that while in catholic school they students never did have a Bible. This person also went to say that the only time he did have a Bible was when he took a college class called The Bible as Liturature. Wow. so where is your bible and what doe it say that you go to heaven by---please don't tell me it is becsue your pastor told you how--that is what they ewant you to believe. Now go read your bible by yourself.
I don't know why you have such a problem with me being a minister--can you elaborate on that some.
I think I am tunnel visioned actually, but maybe I'm wrong. I mean, is it a sin to emulate people like Moses, Abraham, King David, Jeremiah...these people we essentially idolise in sunday school? And what about Christ Himself, who undoubtedly grew up in a family where he was entered into the jewish covenant BY BIRTH...hence his dedication at the temple. It's all very, very important, and as a Zionist on here agreed with me on another hub--covenants are a single line, each new one contains everything of the old, just expounds deeper upon them.
Christians are merely Jews that follow a risen Lord instead of Mosaic ritual, in every sense of the word. Are we going to get into etymologies here? LOL...someone might. I am pretty content knowing that my birthright, according to the Bible, is secure without an emotional run to the proverbial altar to "lay my all" at Jesus' feet. I did that 5,123.432 times growing up in a baptist church....I refuse to do it anymore.
LG, she's made it clear already. You are not a good minister because you don't believe exactly, word for word, her and her sect's interpretation of how "being saved" and going to heaven works. Because you don't follow the doctrine she has accepted in totality you're ministry is junk.Â
I think that sums it up nicely. Oh, plus you have Internet friends like me and Spryte, which clearly makes you unworthy. I know Jesus only hung around with the chaste and holiest members of His church to be.
And T.Keeley, there's a difference between having a clear view of your beliefs and being tunnel-visioned, but I'm hestitant to say that because I know how easily that can be twisted to serve the forces of zealous didacticism by some of the more abrasive sorts.
Shaes, yep! Jesus ran around with those highest of high and those who didn't need his love and encouragement.
Well it sounds like she is a devout Catholic who is afraid to read the Bible for herself or any other book for that matter. It seems that the Catholic church only teaches small parts of history to boot. That is very sad.
Didactic...good word I haven't used in forever. Thanks for refreshing my mind of that, Shades. I udnerstand how tunnel vision works better, nowe that you've clarified. I will say I believe I'm right, or I'd not believe what I do anyway! Doesn't stop me from sharing with people, as I have above, I just prefer not getting in a tizzy over things I cannot control [directs everyone back to his most recent hub, "True Conversion to Christianity"]. In the end, I guess we'll really know how it works, I just prefer to be aligned with the people who started the religion in the first place!
Lady Guinevere, I totally respect what you are doing, there is no question your heart and mind are in a place of integrity. What Buddah wrote is a good mantra, even though I'm not buddhist - "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."
It says follow your truth and in the end that is all there is, your truth. I'm of no denomination at all and try very hard to keep myself that way. Religion is now a dirty word in my dictionary of life, though saying that you know I am quite spiritual. I chook putting the two words (spiritual and religion) together as it appears they have become different.
I can't agree more with the comments Shadesbreath is making here in regard to several very disrespectful comments to your hub. So much hate in them that I'm past being angry, it's just bloody hurtful.
Allshookup - I never read past your first paragraphs - you appear the most sinful, shameful person I've ever read on hubpages. You must have experienced some terrible terrible things in your life to be so spiteful and hurtful to other people, not to mention extremely disrespectful. You actually make me cry that you espouse the words of an enlightened man - Jesus and spew hate in his name. I pity you. I think you actually like being hated, have you thought about that? "Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do."
Actually...ASU...we aren't trashing you for speaking the truth. You need to speak the truth first and then we'll decide whether we wish to trash you or not. We are trashing you because you are a close-minded, small-minded, vicious little twit. Big difference. I think you are the only one under the illusion that you are speaking something that resembles the truth. That's called delusion and just one of the reasons why I'm convinced you should seek the help of a professional to diagnose your psychological ailment and prescribe proper medication. It's there...don't be too proud to ask for help. Seek and ye shall find...
And you've mixed me up with a religious person I see. I haven't made any claims about loving god or going to heaven...hence my freedom to say all sorts of obnoxious things to you without fear of repercussion from a higher authority. That's the great thing about the relationship I have with my god...we get to laugh our asses off at people like you. I asked him why the other day...I said, "God...why are there idiots like ASU running around in the world pretending that they know everything about you and how to get to heaven and what is right and what is wrong? Why?" And he sort of laughed and said unto me, "Why, spryte, if I didn't make idiots like that...who would you have to play with? Wouldn't you be bored?" And of course, I had to nod at God's wisdom because He was right...as usual.Â
Oh...btw...he said to tell you he still loves you, just like he loves all his "special needs" kids and if you can't find heaven on your own he suggested Mapquest might be able to help you.
TK, I posted a link to that hub in one of my other social networks and one person decided that he was only going to read the first sentence and he went off of me. So I am getting it from all sides.
Funny, how when I asked my ROMAAN CATHOLIC husband if I should take this minitry he hd no problem with it if that is what I was called to do............hmmmm....................
Your Hub is inspiring. I have gone from Methodist, to metaphysical, to Catholic, to leaving organized religion to my own link to God/Universe/Higher self. I am still on my journey and have learned a lot. Belief is the key to whatever route you go. Good for you and thanks!!!
Candace, Thank you for those words. They really do mean alot to me.
mapquest!!!! rofl or would be if it all wasn't so sad and mad!
continued from my comment above ..... the "sad and mad" refers not to the quest for spirituality but to pointless religious argument that actually achieves nothing and only serves to upset good people...
LG, some people just...well....don't listen.
For anyone who seriously wants to know what the bible says about how to get into heaven, it's in there. And it's pretty clear. But it requires more than just "being saved." That's only step 1. You need to GET RIGHT and STAY RIGHT with GOD. And there are specific actions and steps to this:
Believe in Jesus and put your faith in Him. See Ephesians 2:8-10 (chapter 2, verses 8 through 10).
Repent of your sins. (See Acts 17:30,31.)
Confess Jesus as Lord to someone. (See Matthew 10:32,33 and Romans 10:9,10.)
In the Bible, God always places emphasis on WHAT WE SAY —probably because whatever is in your heart determines what you say (Matthew 12:34). Therefore God wants us to verbally commit to Jesus (as Lord of our life) to someone.
Be baptized. (See Acts 2:38,39.)
In the Bible—belief and baptism are always together, never separated. Therefore, it is obvious that baptism is part of accepting Jesus.Surprisingly, you don't need an ordained anything to do it. Any true Christian may baptize you.
This four step process GETS YOU RIGHT WITH GOD.
Here's how you STAY RIGHTWith God Through Jesus
1 John 1:5-2:6 (chapter 1, verse 5 through chapter 2, verse 6) gives the best answer. This passage describes people who are right with God, and explains to them that they will still struggle with and fall into sin at times. It uses the terms “walking in the light” and “walking in the darkness.”
If our foundation is the Bible, and if our motivation is being like Christ, and if we consistently seek to live like Christ, then we know that Jesus covers our sins, and we are still right with God. (See 1 John 2:5,6 and 1 John 5:13.) However, if we say that we know God, and yet do not consistently seek to live like Christ by obeying Him (that is, we continue to “walk in darkness”) God says that we are liars and the truth is not in us. (See 1 John 2:3,4 and 1 John 1:6.) Thus, if you make a decision to accept Christ, you must understand that it means a lifetime commitment toward seeking to be like Jesus in the way that you live. This is what “staying right with God” is all about—becoming more like Jesus.
Now I admit I'm no biblical scholar. But what this says to me is if you want to be saved and get into heaven, you have to not only walk the walk, but talk the talk -- in other words, walk in Jesus's shoes and emulate him. And in terms of talking the talk, remember what it says above about the Bible emphasizing what we say. Jesus spoke of love, not hate. I think the examples here on HP are crystal clear to everyone.
Thanks Yo Mighty Mom. Thank You very much.
Lady G, you have my vote too. Your hub reflects many of my own thoughts and beliefs, and you seem to be genuinely kind and have a firm grasp on your spirituality.
One of the things I usually ask a person (not you LG...'people') when they start throwing bible verses around is, "What version of the bible are you quoting from?" I happen to have at least 3 versions that I've compared and the interpretations can vary widely.
And I agree strongly with you that another problem is when someone takes a bible verse out of context. That is so true. Anyone can pick up any version of the bible and pull out a verse to throw at someone that will support whatever idea, thought or feeling they may have.
Ajcor, I liked the mapquest thing too! lol Spryte!
Several times, I have become angry with friends over issues of being saved, being a christian etc. The ones i have argued with the most and have nearly come to blows with are my "fellow Christians" ...
When we stopped trying to prove to each other than we had proper doctrine, and started to truly understand each other, that we were not as far off from each other as we assumed. We were debating over words which neither of us really understood.
I know, that I know that I know that I am accepted by God and will dwell with Him forever because of what Jesus did on the cross, and my only response is to fall to my knees in gratitude.
Knowlege is good. But "We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies." (1 Cor 8:1):
I think that the purpose of removing the log from our own eye to get the sawdust out of someone else's is to save the eye, not to collect saw dust.
Sometimes, I find myself to be quite proud of my sawdust collection.
LG, Good for you and God Bless on whatever you have been called to do. :)
LG - I like your opening quote "Love one another". Nice to see that you and your church has such a inclusive world view. That Budha's "Believe nothing" quote could be considered quite a "sacrilege" by some people. Good hub about your personal journey.
Hi Lady G
I'm glad to see the whole posse arrived to come to your defence. I didn't have much time last night between running the kids around and cooking and so on, but I felt really sorry for you battling it out with that unspeakable person.
There are some truly Christian people on these hubs, and I rate you as one of them. You have your own unique take on these matters but that doesn't make it any less valid. There's a giant freeway into heaven in my eyes, not a tiny little ingress that you can only just squeeze through if you say the right words, belong to the right church, own a gun, and mock your fellow man at every opportunity.
If there is a plan for humanity, then it's for all of humanity. The bit of the Bible I like best is the parables, especially that of the Good Samaritan. The message is clear. If you truly have God in your heart (no matter what you happen to call him, God, Allah, Buddha, the Force!, Whatever.) then you show it in your words and deeds. As you do.
Unfortunately this high-handed and spiteful approach to Christianity is earning the Church a bad name in much the same way in which Muslim terrorist attacks have caused problems for ordinary Muslims.
'Judge not lest ye be judged'. If ASU needs to ask you the way into Heaven, then perhaps she's not secure in the path that's she's already following? Just a thought.
LadyG: I didn't read all of the comments, but I had to stop by and see your hub. I will not be one of those who say you are lost or don't know the truth. I don't agree 100% with you, but I don't think any two people in the world agree 100% on anything. I think what you're doing is a wonderful thing. I support you all the way, though I may not support everything you have to say. Jesus' message is hidden. One can only see it through the eyes of the Holy Spirit. Good hub!
Ok, Who says that I don't or anyone else doesnt' have the Holy Spirit? How do you know? Who tells you if you have the Holy Spirit or not and where do you get that information?
As I read the Bible in Genesis Adam got the Holy Spirit breathed into him. In other places in the Bible it says that everyone has the holy spirit when they are born. It also says that if one is baptises they have the holy spirit---well I was baptised.
How do you know if someone has the Holy Spirit--prove it Maestro!
I am beginning to wonder how it is getting around that I am not baptised or believe in God or Jesus and that I don't have the Holy Spirit or the love of Jesus---how are you all getting that? Can you all not read?
LadyG you are mistaken. I was not saying that you do not have the Holy Spirit. I will not make that claim about you or anyone else. I agree with you that everybody has the Holy Spirit. Some are more atuned to it than others.
I can understand how you would jump to assume that I've come on here to disagree with you. There are plenty here that are attacking you, so you are naturally on the defense. I would be too. Just know that I am not one of those people attacking you. Like I said, I highly commend your ministry and all that you are doing. I do not wish to argue or debate with you. I posted to your hub as an attempt to support and compliment you.
With that in mind, maybe my first comment will come to you in a different light.
Maestro, Yes it is in a different light. Yes I am a bit defensive right now. I am sorry that I jumped all over you. Please forgive me?
Of course! You were forgiven even before you asked for it! =) =)
Thank you.
LG- Since I had enough time on my hands I read through all your comments. I now know the origin of your defensive instincts. I just pray that people who claim to know all but without practice of that knowledge isn't of any use to anyone. My motto in life is "be good do good". Be good is for self to stay from all bad habits/behaviors and do good is to try to project kindness and love to others. Which I am sure no religious text will disagree. By the way happy thanksgiving. Congrats in advance for the baby's arrival which Iam sure will bring you and your family lots of happiness.
Lady Guinevere you have a great Hub here. And I know exactly what you are talking about. Don't let people bring you down to their level. Most Christians go to Church to be seen and to see others. A church is not a building. It is the group of people. Buildings do not make a church.
You see People especially in the south at Baptist churches especially they think they are supposed to build bigger and bigger buildings and add on new wing after new wing. And I am sure other faiths do it to. At a lot of churches if you don't dress up your not welcome. You don't see poor or homeless at big fine churches.
And you know most so called Christians miss one of the most important parts in the Bible. Matthew 25 31-45. Read those words if you profess to be a Christian and see if you are doing what Jesus Christ says you must do to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Bottomline remember clothes and buildings do not make you a Christian. Your actions do. Do you feed the hungry? Do you shelter the homeless? Do you clothe the naked? Very important but much over looked by the average Christian. Your actions should show Jesus Christ in you. If not you need to read Matthew 25 31-46 and make up your mind for your self. Are you a Christian or are you only playing at being one.
And in everything you do try to ask your self , What Would Jesus Do. Hard to live that way. Isn't it.
Matthew 25:31-45
The Judgement of the Nations
31 ‘When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. 34Then the king will say to those at his right hand, “Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.” 37Then the righteous will answer him, “Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? 38And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? 39And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?” 40And the king will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family,* you did it to me.” 41Then he will say to those at his left hand, “You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.” 44Then they also will answer, “Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?” 45Then he will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.”
Brilliant quote from the Bible CrazyHorseGhost. That's how I always understood it to be. Just like the Good Samaritan. It's about deeds in the final analysis. Good deeds.
Crazyhorse, I always think of those verses in the /bible. I may not have nough money to help others and that is why I am to help through the internet. I do, however, help the animals here on this earth becaeu that is my calling too. I have taken care of all god's creatures on my property and around it. I have fed and spayed most of the cats and kittens here and gone into debt sometimes to do it. If someone were to aks for something I beleive that I would give it to them I have opned my house to a troubled teen in hopes to help her chose the right path against my busband's wishes.
I also do not like the big churhes that spend al their money and take it from the parishioners just to look better than any other church. That is not what Christ wanted. I have also come in contact with some elderly ladies that cried becasue someone was not dresssed in their best clothes. It is not what you look like on the outside but what your heart is on the inside that counts. I get alot of flack for beleiving this, bit it will all come out in the end--ehenever that will be. I also feel the judgement and the fire is what is going to happen within each person and not a physical thing.
Thank you for your comments and the verses! Really thank you for the verses because I don't have the time to look them up today.
With the part of separating the sheep from the goats--I had a dream something like that about 2 weeks ago. Instead I was driecting students into the school and I was taking a few out to one side and the rest to the other side. I didn'tknow what I was going to do with the few that were not going to the main side where everyone else was going.
I also had a dream of that angels unaware and that taking care of people may be taking care of Christ himself just two nights ago. This dream I was going to visit someone and his wife in a nursing home and I know this guy. He is pretty nasty to me sometimes becaseu he is a catholic and doesn't see me as a minister either and isn't shy about letting it known to others. I went there and he was hospitable to me and my huband. I said to him You still do not know me. We were on our way to someplace else and got lost, but we found our way eventually. They plac we got lost was anothr hospital, but we did not go inside as we knew that it wasn't the right place that we were supposed to be. It was on the otherside of a river and it was being built and not finished yet. We turned around and went back down the street and made a right turn and we were on our way to this place that we were going to.
I believe my dreams are guiding me to the right place and the right circumstances.
I thought I should give my thoughts on this hub since I am here and read it. First thing you start with is the title. I Heard Jesus' Call. You go on to say that it might not have been Jesus that called but could have been your higher self. This in itself shows double-mindedness, (can't make up your mind). James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
You also go on to praise the Universal Life Church, (which accepts everything coming and going). The Universal Life Church will give a license to anyone with a real name and an address. They ask nothing of your beliefs, and hereby call you through their doctrine.
Regarding some of the comments, I read that Amanda Severn mentioned deeds. She used it, if I understand correctly, to state that our deeds is what it takes to make it to heaven. This says that Jesus' death, burial and resurrection means nothing.
I know you may not like this comment, but it is what I see. Stop listening to yourself and start listening to Jesus.
Sir Dent, I didn't see any double post to delete.
The HigherSelf is You Jesus--not a different Person., It is the go between of God and your self on earth or physical. There is no two people there.
Yes the Universal Life Church does give certs out and does not ask what your beliefs are. They also have a college that you can take classes, VERY much like those other colleges like the Baptist College and the Catholic Colleges too. If one is called to serve Jesus he will find the way in which he wants you to teach and learn as well. No man on earth can tell another who has Jesus in his heart and mind. I did not go to the ULC first, but was called first. I am not listening to myself at the same time you listening to yourself. If no one on this earth is better than another then how can you or anyone else tell me that I don't have Jesus within me---just as I don't tell you that he is not in you. Was Jesus told that he had God in him?-no he knew. People who did not believe him thought he was something to be mocked at.
With the same convictions that he had, I KNOW he is in me too and that it isn't just me---what would I gain from doing it myselfor for myself? Seriously--what would I gain if it were myself that I was listening too?
If I wanted fame or fortune (which by the way those bigger evangelists get and some have come down hard for that) the I would be them, but I am not.
Thanks for you comments and stopping by and speaking your mind-truly serious with this.
Satan also thought himself to be higher than God.
I erased one post and typed in sorry for the double post.
I never said that I was higher than God and the Higher Self is nowhere near higher than God.
I know you feel that I am a Satan Worshipper but that is fine with me because I KNOW different and will stand on my own ground that God gave to me and be steadfast is the love of Jesus Christ. So be it different than your view but Jesus's view was also differnt then the mainstream view in his day and time too.
I do not believe you are a Satan worshiper. I do believe you have gone beyond what Jesus taught. The reason Jesus went against the mainstream when He walked the earth as a man was because of their self righteousness. They preached against everyone for doing the very things that most of them did.
People like to use the Good Samaritan to justify their own morals or beliefs. The Samaritan did a very good and righteous thing. Doing one thing right does not make anyone righteous.
When you listen to your own self, you are saying you are equal to God. God knows the heart and then intent of the heart. He knows what you listen to and why.
Do works or deeds give you the right to inherit eternal life?
I have one suggestion for you at this time. You don't have to do it and if you do you don't have to tell me anything about it. Ask yourself this question. What makes a person righteous?
One more comment. What is the main view of this day and time? Isn't it that everyone is right no matter what? More people believe in that than anything else.
Sir Dent, I don't think that I am the Good Samaritan nor am I as great as God--only God is great. What is it exactly and be specific that you have a problem with aobut me being a Minister? Be very specific.
I never said that I was all right and no wrong--we learn new things everyday.
I think alot of you that go agaisnt me and don't think that I have God or Jesus in me fail to realize that I have been a Minister for 4 years now. I didn't just up and decide to do it. I never told anyone about it because of the flack that I am now getting.
Oh and to your question--no person is righteous but Jesus. Jesus is my saviour and I am sorry that no one or not everyone here on hub pages believes that.
Here is the rub LG. You call Jesus Savior. You say you are not as high as Jesus or God. You say you are a minister of Jesus. In your hub, you said your higher self called you to minister. Your teachings have gone beyond what Jesus taught and commanded anyone to teach.
I know many here on HubPages will back you up. They will also back up an atheist to the gates of hell and push them in. Do you believe that your own heart can decieve you?
What is beyond the teachings of Jesus?
The many doctrines of the church are wrong and Jesus never taught anything but that they were wrong in the first place. Becasue he didn't like what the Chruch and Preists were doing then and he did get angry and all that he was not well liked. The church was not started until way after his death. Now I ask you to go read the history of the church.
I know I am not for Satan and you can't tell me otherwise and I do not tell lies and you do see that I ack myself up with scriptures too--it hust isn't in your way or those who beleive the workd is going to end and the fear of christianity as a whole do. Yes I am angry right now because you are picking apart and using my words out of context and insinnuating that I am leading people down to Hell..................................
Your heart can also deceive you or are you one of the righteaous ones?
"The heart is deceitful above all things... [desperately wicked, who can know it]?"
I'm not siding with anyone here, but regardless of that fact, ALL our hearts are totally dperaved.
TK,
So in your view all hearts are deceitful and therefore I will take that even further--that NO man knows his own heart and the any and every preist, minister, preacher or Rabbi teach not anything that is not already deceived in themselves. How quaint--The truly blind leading the blind.............hmmm..................intersting
I agree T.keeley.
LG, the reason the jews started hating Jesus was because he sat down in a chair in the synagog that was meant for Messiah. If you would read the Bible and search it out you will find where he went into the synagog ,as was His custom, (meaning He did it a lot), He asked for the book anf read from the Book of Isaiah, then he sat down. They even grabbed Him and brought Him out of the temple and tried to kill Him by throwing him over an embankment.
You want me to read the history of the Church when I read it on a daily basis.
Reincarnation is agaisnt the teachings of Jesus. Karma is against the teachings of Jesus, (It will rain on the just and the unjust). You words seem angry to me. Is it just me?
It is up to you to want the truth or not. As for me, I believe Jesus is the truth and there is no other truth besides Him. Jesus said that all those who came before me, (speaking of doors and ways to God), were thieves. This means Baal, Horus, Osiris, Buddha, etc. . .
Sir Dent you do patronize me so. Do you not think that I don't read or have not read the ible. I truly think that you beleive that I have no idea what is in that Bible. Read The Gospel of Issa. Okay don't read it becasue I know that you won't. The history of the church is not in that Bible--not entirely. All of Jesus miracles are not in ther either--and you know what---it says that right in the Bible becasue it states that there would be too many to list in any book they would write.
Here's my rub and I have stated it many times---how do YOU know that Jesus isn't in me?
Reincarnation and Karma is not against the teaching of Jesus--you find them in the Bible--don't condescend either. There is just way too many people and especially children who have proof of reincarnation that outways anything else---ph of course you will say that they are devils or they are seeing the devil or some other concoction as that....You are trained to see that.
Karma is cause and effect--pure and simple and Jesus did say alot about that in the Bible. If you do this you will be this and all kinds of things such as that--that is Karma wheather you beleive it to be so or not.
Where did I ever say that Jesus was NOT the Truth? Where do you all get this? You get it out of thin air is where and it is false.
LG, I leave you to it. :)
Be this the story you are telling about Jesus in the synagogue:
The First Sermon In The Synagogue Of Nazareth
1. AND Iesus came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the roll of the prophet Esaias. 2. And when he had opened the roll, he found the place where it was written. The Spirit of the Lord Is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bound. To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 3. And he closed the roll, and gave it again to the minister, and sat down, And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began saying unto them. This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Ioseph’s son? 4. And some brought unto him a blind man to test his power, and said, Rabbi, here is a son of Abraham blind from birth. Heal him as thou hast healed Gentiles in Egypt. And he, looking upon him, perceived his unbelief and the unbelief of those that brought him, and their desire to ensnare him. And he could do no mighty work in that place because of their unbelief. 5. And they said unto him, Whatsoever we have heard done in Egypt, do also here in thy own country. And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own home or in his own country, neither doth a physician work cures upon them that know him. 6. And I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land. But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. 7. And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian. 8. And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath. And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong. But he, passing through the midst of them, went his way and escaped them.
LECTION 13. 5. -The effects of his education in Egypt and his travels in other countries and knowledge of their religion and mysteries are here clearly seen in the largeness of the heart of Iesus, and his sympathy with all men. He is the true Catholic, who excludes none from his love whose hearts are unto righteousness, while he pities those that are not, knowing the terrible fate that awaits them.
I wasn't talking about that one., I was talking about the money changers in the church and how he got really mad and angry with the preists and threw over talbes and such--see there are more than once Jesus displayed anger at the Churches.
LG- Hope you have recovered from cold/flu. Btw can you elaborate this "Reincarnation and Karma is not against the teaching of Jesus--you find them in the Bible"
As previously I have been mocked for mentioning(reincarnation) as Satan/Devil influence by some of the "Christians". Thanks in advance.
I will work on that tomorrow. For some reason Hubpages has been locking up on me and pages are not coming out correctly and One thing that I posted got lost in cyversoace for a half hour and I come back and find it there again! When the internet calms down a bit I will find that information for you.
Just remember this everything is not in that Bible--it says so and anything that those chirstians can't see past those few words in that Bible must be Satan and Evil. The Unknown is Evil and will Kill you is their mentality they prefer.
Right now I am reading on the Clothed with the Sun--as Jesus isn't coming back--it will be a woman.........That will get them going lol
LG, I was merely stating that the only thing that truly directs our heart in the right direction is Christ Himself, devoid of anything we do. Free will is funny because our deceitful hearts in turn aren't really all that deceitful then, are they ;) ? I was merely making a point on the matter of the Bible, that's all. If we truly do make choices based on our heart, it's only because God enabled those choices. Like I said, not siding with anyone here because it's not really a debate. It's a matter of God's calling.
And I do believe that is, after all, the theme of this hub!
TK,
I didn't mean it that way or the way that you took it. I was agreeing with you
Countrywoman,
I found this on the same website that I gave you above that does relate to Karma as in the Christian aspect:
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Christian teachings do not usually include the idea of Karma, although some parallels can be made, as exemplified by biblical verses of 'God is not mocked, what a man sows he must reap' and 'Vengence is mine says the Lord'.
For the most part, however, the idea of the Abrahamic God makes the concept of Karma redundant for Christians.
It is also worth noting that most interpretations of Christianity do not emphasize the religious importance of thoughts and intentions (volition), that are usually understood to be a major form of Karma by the doctrines that use that concept."
As a side note: With all these misunderstandings I am beginnig to think that I should take up a class in English as a Second Language. Yhe other question would be is Why is Christ showing me this???
I am beginning to feel like Ozzy in that commercial with the text messenger.............
I belveve that a man is saved no faster then he can gain knowlege, and if he cannot gain knowlege then he will be brought into captivity by some evil power, as evil spirits will have more knowledge, and consequently more power than many men and women who are on the earth. Hence it needs revelation to assist us, and give us knowlege of the things of God.
How much more dignified and noble are the thoughts of God, than the vain ambitions of the heart.
Country Woman, I posted a link on my hub about Reincarnation. The link has all the Biblicxal Verses there that pertain to Re-incarnation.,
Dear Lady Guinevere, I also believe:
"I don't think of God as a he or a she, because it is both and all and everything-- energy, light and electricity."...and is in everyone...
Great Hub!
A lots of Love & Light.
Lady G,
If you have a place for the animals then I am in. Stay positive and I can hang. Light, love, electricity, how about the darkness? I am nocturnal you see. It has to do with my homeland security... Glad to get to know you. me poorQpine
Thank you all for commenting. I ti s surely nice to have some that believe in what I am doing.
Satan did NOT think he was higher than God. He was told to worhip Adam. Being as Satan was made as an Adversay of God and his first Angel he was confused and then refused to worship a mere human being. God threw him out of heaven for denying his request. As an adversary TO God, NOT against him, Satan is not to be FEARED. In the orginal Hebrew Satan as we know him today did not exist, neither did Bevil. Some of you have said that those who look for Satan will find him----How about Those who look will find GOD and nconditional LOVE.
Hannah Ministries, your commnet has been deleted because it did not come from God or Jesus. When they choose a person to do their work they don't need any other human's permission or approval. Good Day.
Lady Guinevere, Interesting hub! I would like to extend an invite to you to visit a few of my hubs! Thank you for sharing, Blessings!
DeBorrah, Thanks for visiting and commenting. I shall visit some of your hubs next week. Any one in particular?
Lady Guinevere, You are quite welcome ~ Just feel free...Blessings!
This is truly one of those 'conversations' that can go on forever. All of us are on the spiritual journey (even when we do not believe it or believe in God or Jesus). It is true, we must read other books to know what was truly intended to be in the Bible. And even then, we do not know it all. Therefore, I will say, as long as one has Jesus on their journey, you pretty much have a good beginning, middle (even when it gets rough, and it will), and end (and only Jesus will determine that). May you have peace and strength in the work you were called unto.
Support Med, thanks for dropping by and commenting. Never having all the answers is right!! Often it is that when you think you really know something or someone the rules get changed!
I see your ordination from the interfaith Monastery Storehouse, but I read your conviction to Christianity. How can you be ordained by the Monastery who ordains followers of satan, atheists and etc. and call yourself Christian. I would strongly urge you to get a Christian through the real Universal Life Church http://www.ulcnetwork.com
Universal Life Chruch, Thanks for coming by. I looked at your profile page you sent and gues what--I did not get my credentials for the Monestery. Their site is a dot Org, while you site is something completely different. I am no Satan Worshipper.
You have a good day.
For any of you who have the smallest thought that I worship Satan or that I put myself higher than God itself--you all can just get off you pedestals right now.
It is refreshing to see someone like you pursuing faith in God without acting like you have all the answers. I think what turns me off a lot of the organized religion is those who think they know everything. I like the way you approach faith in God much better.
Thanks for reading SweetiePie. No I don't tell other's about this because they have a control mechanism in place that prevents truth to shine through. I like to think of them as the BORG and as such they will fight to get those like me to come back because of the fear religion instills in them about my afterlife. They should worry more about their own.
CJStone Level 5 Commenter 3 years ago
Hello Lady Guinevere, I look forward to hearing more words from your ministry. This is the line that sold it to me: "I don't think of God as a he or a she, because it is both and all and everything-- energy, light and electricity." I believe that.